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As stated in the last issue I have pushed back all the publication dates by one month starting with this issue. The Scoop will now be published in January, April, July, and October. The subscription rate for this year is $15. Anyone subscribing during this issue year (June,'85 - April,'86) will receive exactly four issues (#5 through #8). If you have not received your copy of #5 then please let me know. Volume 1 of the Scoop, issues #1 through #4 are available at $10 dollars for the complete volume. (c) Victor L. Bennison, 1985 ****************************** ARTICLE ********************************* An Eventful Career From The Historical Record of the Wyoming Valley 1887 Vol. I, p. 62: A native of Wilkes-Barre who passed away through two wars, was attacked with Chagres fever in South America, narrowly escaped assassination in Missouri and finally met death by accident. The Rochester Union and Advertiser has an interesting biographical sketch of our former townsman W. R. Loop, whose death by accident has already been noted in the Record. His career was so eventful that we believe our readers will be glad to peruse such portions of it as we can make room for: At St. Louis at the breaking out of the Mexican War, he enlisted as a private, continuing in the army until the end of the war. He was in the regiment under Col. Donophan when the famous march was made under Gen. Kearney from St. Louis to Santa Fe. This was in 1846. The regiment was disbanded at Santa Fe, the soldiers finding their way back to St. Louis on foot in squads of six to ten. Soon after his return to St. Louis he embarked in the mercantile business with a Mr. Brand (a creole). The business was continued until the great fire, about 1849, when he was joined by his brother Edward. This was the year that the cholera prevailed to such an alarming extent, very many persons fleeing from the city. Not so with Loop. He remained perserveringly, attending to his business, striving and succeeding in paying his debts, though the insurance companies paid him only 50 cents on the dollar, the severity of their losses compelling them in this course. These were blue times for Loop; he paid his debts, but only had enough money remaining to purchase him an outfit for a journey across the plains in 1850 to California, which was coming into notice about this time. He made the journey with five companions, on foot, having ox teams to carry their luggage. The panic of 1851 being precipitated soon after he returned from California, and in order to economize he shipped as a common sailor before the mast, down the Pacific coast to Nicaraugua, thence through the Nicaragua river and lake to Greytown, where he had a violent attack of the Chagres fever caused by exposure in the raining season, under a burning sun. From Greytown he took the steamer Daniel Webster to New York, being only just alive when the steamer arrived. On recovering from this tedious and dangerous illness, lasting the entire winter, he found his way to Hannibal, Mo., where he was employed by Mr. I. R. Selms, an old and highly respected merchant. Here he purchased a nice residence and had his mother and sister with him. He remained at Hannibal until the exciting secession times (preceding the Rebellion) staunchly maintaining his character of a Union man, loving his country and willing to make any sacrifice. It will be remembered that the Union men, living on the borders between the Northern or free States, and the Southern, or slave States, were in most trying positions. No one probably suffered more for his loyalty than Mr. Loop. The men treated him cruelly, and the women pointed their fingers at him in scorn and derision in the streets. Yet he was not to be swerved a hair's breadth from the line of duty, as he understood it. An acquaintance came near to him one day in his place of business, when suddenly, withoug warning of any kind, gave him a violent blow on the head with a brick, evidently intending to kill him. He concluded after this occurence that it was not safe for him to remain there, so he severed his connection with Mr. Selms, much to the sorrow and regret of the latter, himself a Union man, who was ruined by the hatred of the Secessionists, and compelled a short time after Mr. Loop's departure to go himself. On leaving Hannibal, Loop came east, visiting Wilkes-Barre, Pa., the home of his childhood. It was there that he enlisted among the "Emergency Men" at the call of the State government in the summer of 1863. After being mustered out of service on this occasion he returned to Wilkes-Barre, and after a very brief period he enlisted again, this time at the call of the general government, for three years of the war in the 143rd regiment, Pennsylvania Volunteers. This regiment was in the brigade, which was under the lamented Gen. Wadsworth, which went through the battles in Virginia. On the seventh day of the nine days' battle of the Wilderness he (Loop) received a bullet through his hip, which wounded him so severely that he was incapacitated for severe manual labor during the remainder of his life. He was taken to the Douglas Hospital in Washington and from there he was transferred to the City Hospital in Rochester. He continued to reside here up to the day of his death, which occurred within one day of his sixty-fifth birthday. An exemplary Christian, a faithful, loving son, brother and friend, his like will not soon be found again. ****************************** ARTICLE ********************************* Nathaniel Harrison Loop by Mary Jo Kubie 1172 South 16th Street Blair, Nebraska 68008 Nathaniel Harrison Loop came to the Black Hills in April of 1877. In order to lighten his load of carpentry tools, he brought just the blades of his planes and made wooden handles after he arrived. He built a log cabin in Deadwood with a stone fireplace. Al Fay and several other men came at the same time. In order to get hay for their horses, he cut hay with a hand scythe while Al Fay watched for Indians. Then Al Fay cut while Loop watched. N. H. Loop married "Bell" (Mary Isabell) Short on the 4th day of June, 1876 in Greenfield, Adair County, Iowa. She joined him in the Black Hills on December 26, 1877, accompanied on the trip via Wells Fargo Express by her brother, Harvey C. Short. They arrived in the first stagecoach to come into Deadwood without being let down by ropes during the last part of the trip. She said the trip was very rough especially after they left Sidney. Bell was very lonely at first and had difficulty learning to cook in a fireplace. Her father, Cyrus Hall Short, a Presbyterian minister, joined them a year later. Cyrus also worked as a mason. Nathaniel Harrison Loop worked as a carpenter. They lived in Deadwood at the time the fire destroyed almost all of that city. Their first child, Guy Cyrus Loop was born on March 29, 1879 at Deadwood. After the fire, Mr. Loop worked in Lead for the Homestake Mine as a pattern maker. He built the first bullwheel used in the Ellison Hoist at the mine. He sold the mine stock he received as part of his wages for $1.00 a share; much to his later regret. They moved to Crook City where he helped set up a sawmill for a Mr. Fish. Two more children were born there: Maude Ellen Loop on December 29, 1881 and Frank Charles Loop on November 19, 1883. By 1884 the family moved to Sturgis where he was a carpenter and cabinetmaker. He helped build many homes, buildings, caskets, etc., in the Black Hills. Said he was in demand because he knew how to build stairs that would fit evenly in the space available. Their last two children were born here: Faye Harrison Loup and Alice May Loup. He and his sons homsteaded near Whitewood Creek. Some of his descendants still live on the land. At some time he worked at Fort Meade in the commissary. Earlier he did some carpentry work at Fort Meade, building their first zinc-lined bathtub and a zinc-lined ice box in the ice house. Nathaniel Harrison Loop was born June 8, lc. [?] 1840, in Lockport, Niagara County, New York; the third son of Ira D. and Ella York Loop. ... In his teens he went to sea as a cabin boy. He learned to read, write, and "figure" form the ship's carpenter. "The first book he learned to read was the Bible and he could quote a lot of scripture." according to Maude Loop Andrews. He must have learned carpentry then too. His first marriage was to Alice Dresser. She died a few months later of tuberculosis. He enlisted in the Civil War at Lakeport, St. Clair Co., Michigan in Company C of the 6th Michigan Volunteer Cavalry, on September 5, 1862 under the name of Harrison Loop. He served under Custer and was discharged at Ft. Leavenworth, on July 24, 1865. He told his grandson, W. H. Andrews, about being in charge of a supply wagon. Once he stood on a post tryin to see ahead and some damned fool shot the post out from under him. He went to the hospital with a broken leg. He joked about how his war wounds were on his backside. When he was 72, he attended the reunion of Civil War soldiers held at Gettysburg and wrote an article for the newspaper about the trip. N. H. Loop died January 29, 1930, at the Soldier's Home in Hot Springs, South Dakota. He had lived in Sturgis since 1884 with the exception of the winters and other times spent at the Soldier's Home. He was the last survivor of Calvin Duke Post 143, G.A.R. Funeral services were held at the Sturgis Presbyterian Church. He was a member of Olive Branch Lodge No. 47. A.F. & A.M., and Matopaha Chapter No. 98 O.E.S. His widow lived until April 19, 1952. He and his wife are buried in Bear Butte Cemetery here in Sturgis. As to their descendants: [1] Guy Cyrus Loupe married (1st) Mathilda Petz and (2nd) Lottie Marie Hustor. They adopted a son, C. C. "Bud" Loupe. [2] Maude Ellen Loup married Conger Vincent Andrews and after living in many Nebraska and South Dakota towns while he worked for the Chicago Northwestern Railroad, they settled in Sturgis. Maude furnished much of the information in this article contained in this article to her granddaughter. They had three children: Alice "Edna" Andrews, now Mrs. Edna Gregory and a Sturgis resident; Walter Harris Andrews now living in Blair, Nebraska; and Faye Conger Andrews "Bob" living in California; two grandchildren and six great-grandchildren. [3] Frank Charles Loup, a resident of Belle Fourche at his death, had seven children, Clarabelle Loup Schnitzer, Ida Loup Bachman, Nathaniel Harrison Loup, b. 1913, Gerturde Dora Loup Kissler, Lawrence Eugene Loup, Hugh Martin Loup, David Cyrus Loup. [4] Faye Harrison Loupe has one daughter, Elsie Belle Loupe now Mrs. Joseph C. Taylor. [5] Alice May Loup married Charles A. Kirk and they had three children; Nada Ellen Kirk, Patricia Faye Kirk Gross and Harvey Charles Kirk. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ VITAL DATA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. Debra Loop Maier sends us two obituaries for her father Frederick M. Loop who died in 1984. I am reproducing here the one that appeared in the North East Breeze, of North East, Pennsylvania. It is in that newspaper that his grandfather Admah Irwin Loop wrote many articles on local history. This is from the August 15, 1984 edition: Frederick Loop, Noted Engineer, Dies in Spain. Memorial services were held on July 28 at John Knox Presbyterian Church in North Olmsted, Ohio, for Frederick M. Loop who passed away after suffering a heart attack while on business near Barcelona, Spain, July 20, 1984. He was born January 17, 1929, in North East, the son of the late Howard S. and Mable (Hayes) Loop. He attended the North East School and after graduation from high school served in the Army Signal Corps with the Army of Occupation in Japan. He then attended Ohio University where he received a Bachelor's Degree in Chemistry and a Master's Degree in [Chemistry] in 1952. He later earned a Master's Degree in Business Admistration form Wayne State University. He joined PPG Industries, Inc., upon graduation from Ohio University and was General Manager of Automotive Original Finishes at his death. He developed waterborne primers for use in the automotive industry and was a patentee in the field. He directed technical activities and introduced finishes to the paint industry which resulted in longer wear and greater rust resistance than before. He was an international consultant to Europe, South America, Mexico and Japan, and was also a speaker for the Society of Automotive Engineers and other related professional organizations... [Mentions several other honors]. He leaves his wife, Louise (Mason) Loop, daughters Debra L. Maier of St. Louis, Mo., SueAnn, at home and sons Jeffrey M. of Livonia, Mich., and Kevin S., at home. He also leaves two brothers, Charles H. of St. Petersburg, Fla., and Robert H. of Edinboro, Pa., and two sisters Helen L. Golab of Erie, Pa., and Marian L. Simpson of North East, Pa. He was preceded in death by a brother, Herbert I., in 1939. The family has established a memorial educational scholarship fund in his name at Cornell University. Memorials may be sent to: Cornell University, Office of University Development, 726 University Ave., Ithaca, N.Y., Memo: Frederick Martin Loop Fund... 2. U.S. Army Enlistment Registers 1798-1884 GS 350314 LOOP, John Pvt., 27th U.S. Inf. Capt. Aaron T. Crane, 5 ft 9 3/4 inch age 26, eyes black, hair brown, complexion fair, carpenter, born Dutchess Co. N.Y., Enlisted Oct 11, 1814 for 5 years of war, Joined Oct 14, 1814, New York, Muster Roll Sandy Hook Mar 10, 1815 Deserted Sandy Hook Apr 22, 1815 3. War of 1812 Servicemen's Records Index GS 882646 LOOP, David Private 61 Reg't (Carvers) N.Y. Militia LOOP, Henry Private Lt. Col. Willcocks Detachment (Canadian) U.S. Volunteers LOOP, John Private 2 Reg't & (Delamater's), N.Y. Militia LOOP, Simon Private Major Woodford's Squadron, Cavalry Va. Militia LOOP, Timothy Corporal, Swanton's Reg. N.Y. Militia LOOP, Martin Jr. Private 17 Reg't (Mead) N.Y. Militia ?????????????????????????????? QUERIES ????????????????????????????????? Please send responses to queries to the Loop Scoop. I will relay them to the person asking the question. 1. Henry H. Loop was born in New York between 1827 and 1836. He does not show up in Chautauqua County until the 1855 census of that county. There he is listed as the adopted son of Nicolas Thum and his county of birth is listed as unknown. He married Luana Marsh and lived in Chautauqua County until his death in 1911. On his death certificate his father is listed as John Loop. No mother is listed. Questions: Where was he born? Who were his parents? - Vick Bennison 2. Family info indicates father of Peter H. Loop b. 1766/7 d. 1855 Sandusky Co., OH, was Peter Loop Sr. b. 1743 Schoharie, NY, d. 1843 Woodstock, IL. Other info places Peter H. as the son of Ensign Henry Loop. Has anyone found records of a Schoharie NY Peter Loop, of a Peter Loop dying or buried at Woodstock (McHenry County) IL, or a marriage record of Ensign Henry's son Peter? My Peter Loop married Rebecca Gilbert, supposedly in 1790 at Schoharie, NY, and his tombstone has Peter Loop, JR. 1766 - 1855. - Joanne Ellis 3. I am seeking the parents of Jane Loop who married Jonathan Andrus (Andrews) of New York. Their child, Polly Andrews, born 3 APR 1791, died 17 DEC 1872 at Windsor, NY, she having married Ezra Barton on 28 NOV 1808 in Broome County, NY. Is there proof that she is the daughter of Peter Loop and Couysa Springer? - Dee Merritt 4. [Editor's note: I don't understand the following querie, as it is written. It seems to answer its own question. But I will publish it here as received. Perhaps the submitter will wish to reword it later.] I am searching for the father of Almond H. Loop born in New York to Henry and Amy (Dikeman) Loop on 27 February 1828. His mother married William Hooker. In the 1850 census of Bradford Township, McKean County, PA there were nine children including Almond living in the William Hooker household. According to obituaries I have read they all moved to Manchester, Delaware County, Iowa in 1864. Almond was my great- grandfather. - Vola Carter 5. Who was the Clara (Loop) Wallace of Hermon, New York, who was doing Loop research in 1928 and had mentioned in her correspondence that a book on the Loop's was being made? Was this book ever finished or published? Clara signed her letter a member of the Loop Genealogy Committee. So who were the other members of this committee? Her Personal stationery had the printed heading: "Mrs. H. L. Wallace, Hermon, N.Y." - Virginia Bachofer [Editor's note: The book was originally written by Dr. Caro S. Valentine in manuscript form. Dr. Valentine appears to have been pretty much a fake, but she did gather information from people alive at the time so that there is some useful information in the book. Omer Loop took the handwritten manuscript, typed it and added page numbers and chapter numbers. Several chapters of the book have floated around among Loop family researchers. The information in the book is largely undocumented and not well written. The parts I would like to obtain are the chapters that contain articles or letters written by living Loops. Unfortunately, the libraries that were rumored to have the book all say they do not. The only copies I know of are both in the possession of Omer Loop's daughter, who has decided not to let us have access to them. I am not at liberty to divulge her name or address. Finding relatives of the committee members might be useful as they might have copies of the manuscript or know how to locate them. The name of the book is: The History of the Loop Family, by Caro S. Valentine, PhD, 1930, Edited by Omer Leslie Loop, PhD, May 1942. In the introduction to the book, Omer Loop lists the following persons as contributors or time and money: "Miss Mary Augusta Loop (deceased) of Rockport, Mass.; Mrs. Charles F. Larrabee, nee Ruth Estelle Loop, of Washington, D.C.; Mr. Admah Irwin Loop, of North East, Pa.; Mr. Floyd Loop, of Bolivar, N.Y.; Mrs. John H. Coffin Church, nee Mary Adele Loop, of Great Barrington, Mass.; Mrs. May Marsh, of Omro, Wis., daughter of Mary Barnet, nee Loop; Mr. Clarence Vinton Loop, of Los Angeles, Cal.; Mrs. Frances ("Fanny") Emma Glenn, nee Loop, of Sylva, N.C.; Mr. John Nicholas ("Nick") Loop (deceased), of Kokomo, Ind.; Mr. Kirk Porter Loop, of McMinnville, Ore.; Mr. Lucien Melvin Loop (deceased), of New York State; Mrs. Minnie Ann Miller, of Greentown Ind., daughter of Margaret Elizabeth Pitman, nee Loop; Mrs. Clarissa Nea Pehl, nee Loop, of Campbell, Minn.; Dr. Ross George Loop, of Elmira, N.Y.; and Mrs. Eva Ardella Stanton, nee Loope, of Eureka, Wis.] +++++++++++++++++++++++ NOTES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS +++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. My hunch about Martha Odell turned out to be right on the money. She was the daughter of Joseph Odell, Jr., of Odelltown, Quebec. From "Odell Genealogy", Emery A. Odell, 1935, p. 84: Joseph Odell, Jr., third son of Joseph (Joshua, Isaac, William, William) b. Nov. 7, 1761, in Dutchess county, N.Y., d. Mar. 30, 1824, at Odelltown, Lower Canada, m. Oct. 7, 1778 in Dutchess county, Sally (or Sarah) Lewis. Children: [I abstract] Martha, d.y., Joshua J., Lewis, Martha (Patty) Odell b. Sept. 17, 1786, m. PHYLER LOOP of Alburgh, Vt., Joseph L., William, Oliver, Sarah, Hiram, John. I wonder whose side the Odells of Odelltown were on in the War of 1812? 2. Speaking of hunchs, remember my hunch about the Canadian Loops being descended from one of the missing children of Capt. Peter Loop. Well I found the following records in the "Ontario Register", Vol 3: p. 9, Picton Methodist Church, Prince Edward County, Ontario, Baptisms, 1816 - 1837: Anna Loop, born 24 Sept 1817 in Hallowell, baptized 16 Nov 1817 by Wm. Case, father: Benjamin Loop, mother: Agness. p. 52 and following, Marriages in the Western District, Reverend Charles Steward, Regular Baptist Church, Gosfield, 1841 - 1848: Isaac Abbot & Elizabeth Ann Toffelmire of Mersea, 28 May 1848, witnesses: John Loop & John Fenby Theodore Scratch & Sarah Loop both of Gosfield 28 Apr 1845, witnesses: S.P. Ginty & Solomon Wiggle John McManebee, of Colchester, 31, and Elizabeth Loop, 21, of Gosfield, 30 Oct 1849, by lic. witnesses: John Black & John Nutson [i.e., she born 1829] Micke Mooney, 24, and Lovesa Loop, 17, both of Mersea on 4 Apr 1850, witnesses: Warren Loop & John Herrington. [i.e., she born 1833] Warren Loop, 19, and Frances Raymond, 18, both of Mersea, 25 Nov 1851 in Mersea, witnesses: Thomas Dugan & Ethel Wilkinson. [i.e. he born 1832] The first record, with Benjamin Loop, is the most exciting. Capt. Peter's son Benjamin would have been 34 in 1817. Picton is on an island in Lake Ontario. Mersea, Gosfield, and Colchester are in Essex County, Ontario, on lake Erie, southeast of Detroit. I also have the following note from Carole Lerner of Toronto: John Yerex and Christine "Tiney" Loop probably both came from Prince Edward County [Ontario] to London, Ontario. Toronto Historical Society publication Vol. 9-11, "Pioneers of Middlesex" mention John and Christine having the first new arrival (baby) in the new found town of London, Ontario, who was named Nathaniel Yerex, b. 1826. They probably settled there in 1825-1826. Nephew writes from London, Ontario, 1827, "John wed Christine Loop. Had five boys and 2 girls (William, Nathaniel, Andrew, Francis, James, Mordica, Betsy, and Kathryn)." Also from Carole Lerner I have a family group sheet for Edwin D. Loop who was born in February, 1841, in London, Ontario, the son of John Loop and Elizabeth Cronkright. Edwin's family immigrated to Michigan when he was ten, about 1851, which means, unfortunately, that his family may have missed both the 1851 Canadian census and the 1850 U.S. census. Note the John Loop who appears as a witness in one of the above marriage records. In addition, we have the family group sheet for Albert Loop, born in Canada in 1813 and living in St. Lawrence county, NY, in 1850. Several of Ira D. Loop's children were born in Ontario, at least one in Middlesex county, where London is located. And there is an Ira D. Loop listed in the 1881 Atlas of Ontario, Essex county in S. Colchester Township. I think it's quite likely that Capt. Peter's son Benjamin lived briefly near his brother Philyer in Alburgh. That Ira D. Loop was his son, born there or in Odelltown across the border. That Benjamin then moved to Picton, Ontario, having Anna and possibly Albert and John. And that he and/or some of his children moved on to the London, Ontario, area. Benjamin's brother Nathaniel may also figure in all this, though we have found no record for him in Canada. This is all speculation at this point. I intend to work on the Canadian Loops some more. 3. I recently discovered some evidence supporting the claim in Myrtle Fowler's family group sheet for Murray Loop, that Murray Loop died in the Battle of Mexico City in 1848 [the sheet says 1858, but this is obviously a mistake]: "Known Military Dead during the Mexican War", p. 95: Munay Loop [almost certainly a misreading of Murray], Pvt. Co. L. Ohio. Note: Murray may have died in February, of 1848, (as it says on the family group submitted by Myrtle Fowler) of wounds received in the Battle of Mexico City, but the Battle itself occurred in September of 1847 and the war was over before the beginning of 1848. If anyone has access to War of 1812 records, see if you can find anything on him. It would be nice to have an enlistment record giving his age, etc., to verify that this is the right person. 4. Janet Loop: You still haven't answered my two questions from the last Scoop. Did you see them? Here they are again, plus one more question for you: A. You list a record for Peter C. Loop died January, 1825, in Steuben County, NY. You have typed under it, "Book Page Will", but you have not entered any numbers. What is this a reference to. Do you have the numbers? This again confuses the issue of Peter Loop, Jr., and Peter C. Loop. I had decided that there were two different people (see Vital Records of Loop Scoop #4). It's very possible, of course that they were both Peter C. Loop. B. Where did you get the 1737 date for Christian and Maria's son John, on the family group for Christian you sent me? This is very important. C. Concerning the worderful manuscript you sent me on the descendants of Peter H. Loop. Who's work it this? Yours? Omer's? Dr. Dancer's? 5. Marilyn Loop: I checked the 1790 census of Westmoreland County, PA. I think that the Soops listed were actually Loops, but it is hard to say for sure because the census taker used L's and S's that were almost indistinguishable. Here are the records: In Mount Pleasant Township: Jacob Loop 2 males over 16, 3 males under 16, 6 females John Loop [?Shoop] 1 male over 16, 4 males under, 4 females In Hempfield Township: Fredrich Loup 1 male over 16, 1 male under 16, 3 females It is possible that the other male over 16 living with Jacob Loop is Christian Loop. Jacob could be his father or brother. It's a possible lead, that's all. The Loops living in Westmoreland County in the 1820, 1830, and 1850 census are all from a family that arrived from Germany about 1818. I've included a family group sheet for that family in this issue. 6. Please study the family group sheet of Christian Loop that appears in this issue. I'm not at all comfortable with the information in the family group sheet for Phillip Loop (appeared last year), which shows this Christian Loop as the son of Phillip. Three of the articles in the notes sections of Christian's family group sheet have him as "Christian Loop, Jr." The information in these articles was provided presumably by three grandsons of Christian, they being the sons of Christian's sons John, Andrew, and David. Obviously the tradition that Christian was Christian "Jr." was a strong one in the different branches of the family. Considering that Christian lived until 1879, it seems to me that he must have been involved in promulgating this notion. Phillip lists a son Christian in his will, but it could have been another Christian, or he could have adopted his brother's son Christian at an early age and thought of him as his son. The Cumberland County, PA, 1790 Census lists: Simeon Loop, 2 males over 16, 1 male under 16, 2 females Christian Loop, 0 males over 16, 1 male under 16, 2 females I don't understand the entry for Christian. But I have a feeling it has something to do with the Christian Loop in question. Is this just a very young male head of household? Is it really for Christina or maybe Christiana Loop? We need some more hard evidence to solve this mystery. 8. Joanne Ellis: (1) The family legend in the sketch of Dr. Aubrey Loop (see family group sheet for Christian Loop, Jr., in this issue) of the three unnamed brothers arriving from Germany and settling in Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Canada, is probably just that, a legend. (2) Peter Loop who married Sena Spencer was the son of Martin Loop whose family group sheet appears in this issue. This Martin is probably the son of Capt. Peter, though the evidence is not as strong as I would like. (3) I do not have any additional data on Moses W. Loop the son of David Loop of Cattaraugus county, so I do not know if he is the Moses Loop who died in Silver Lake, Koscuisko Co., IN, in 1891. Does anyone else know? 9. Debra Maier: In the family group sheet for Martin Loop note the reference the the "Bostwick records" showing a Martin Loop son of Martin Loop and Catherine Van Deusen. The fact that Sena Spencer's mother was Sarah Bostwick seems to add to the circumstantial evidence that your Martin was the son of Capt. Peter. I'm concerned about the nickname Susa or Suka for your Martin's wife. That would imply the name Susanna. The name "Catherine Susanna" is not an uncommon combination. However, we have no evidence yet that she had that as a second name. Do note, however, that Martin and Catherine named their first two children Susanna and Martin. I don't know what the "Bostwick records" are. That submission was from George Capes.